Terrence Mcnally Podcast

LARRY KOPALD, Co-Founder and President of The Carbon Underground, wants you to know that to successfully confront the climate crisis, it’s not enough to reduce or even halt carbon emissions. We also need to draw down accumulated carbon from the atmosphere. Nothing does that better or more simply than Regenerative Agriculture, by rebuilding soil organic matter. I don’t like talking about “the environment” as some separate entity out there. Our deepest goals in life must include a healthy relationship with the rest of nature and an effective response to the climate crisis. Regenerative Agriculture and the work of The Carbon Underground offer a pathway to both.

“Change the story to change the world.” If story actually has that power - and I believe it does - then it can change for better or worse. In his new book, THE STORY PARADOX, JONATHAN GOTTSCHALL declares storytelling the best method we’ve ever devised for manipulating each other by circumventing rational thought. As new technologies amplify the effects of disinformation campaigns, conspiracy theories, and fake news, he calls on us to stop asking, “How can we change the world through stories?” and start asking - before it’s too late - “How can we save the world from stories?”

In the words of today’s guest, TIM JACKSON, Director of the UK's Centre for the Understanding of Sustainable Prosperity, "The finite planet we call home is being altered perhaps irreversibly by the massive human activity that parades under the seductive banner of progress.” But how do we replace the current model of not just commerce - but almost of reality - with a new one that is at least as inviting and more effective at fulfilling human and planetary needs? And how do we do it in time? Jackson’s new book, POST GROWTH: Life After Capitalism, lays out the problem and envisions a way of life beyond our addiction to material growth.

We can always use stories of redemption. Ira Glass says the best story form is the one used in sermons: stories with lessons. Father GREGORY BOYLE has made a point of collecting uniquely powerful stories of life and death, and his work has supplied him with more of those than anyone should know. As of 2010, he had buried 168 of his homies, and filled his first book TATTOOS ON THE HEART with their stories. I read it cover to cover on a plane flight and cried at least a dozen times. Father Boyle’s compassion is boundless. Our conversation also includes LUIS PEREZ, one of the senior staff at Homeboy.

Biden has been President for just over a year. I last spoke with ROB JOHNSON of the Institute for New Economic Thinking November 5th 2020, two days after the polls closed, though the Presidential race had yet to be called. We’ll talk not so much about how the administration is doing – though that matters and we’ll touch on it – but even more about how society is doing? The US as a society seems broken – if broken means unable to solve critical problems. It’s bigger than politics, bigger than economics. How deep is it? How broad? What have we learned – including in this year - about what it’s going to take to turn things around? 

In BY THE LIGHT OF BURNING DREAMS, brother and sister, DAVID & MARGARET TALBOT, tell the story of the 1960s, an era they call the Second American Revolution, through the individual stories of movement leaders, including Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, Russell Means of the American Indian Movement, Bobby Seale of the Black Panther Party, Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta of the United Farm Workers, Heather Booth and the women behind the (pre-Roe v Wade) Jane Collective abortion network. David founded Salon.com and has written six books. Margaret is a staff writer at The New Yorker. 

Anxiously entering the third year of a pandemic, and facing other huge challenges - inequality, injustice, endangered democracy, climate change, etc. we need to take care of ourselves. Here’s my 2013 conversation with neuropsychologist RICK HANSON, author of the best-seller BUDDHA’S BRAIN, about his book, HARDWIRING HAPPINESS, where he brings together mindfulness and neuroscience and offers pro-active practices to actually shift your brain’s neural structure – the hardwiring - toward calm, contentment, and confidence. 

Hello, this is Terrence McNally.  As we begin the new year, declaring resolutions and setting goals, here’s  my 2012 conversation with Charles Duhigg about the ideas in his book, The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business. We also talk about his 2012 NYT Investigative series re Apple's Labor Practices.

I’m curious about the meanings and lesson of the ‘60s. Questions and values that emerged in the 1960s are alive in Millennials and younger today, and I believe they stand a chance to build something deeper and more sustainable this time. This week I speak with EDWARD MORGAN. His 2010 book, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO THE 1960’s?: How Mass Media Culture Failed American Democracy seeks to explain both what actually happened and what happened to how we remember it, how the mass media shaped the popular image, meaning and value of that political and cultural decade -  caricaturing what was a genuine small-d democratic movement of movements challenging the status quo  as a generational rebellion of indulgence. Best forgotten. You can learn more at tedmorgan.blogspot.com

I wish you and your loved ones a deeply renewing holiday season. This week, you’ll hear my 2014 conversation with REZA ASLAN about his best-selling book, ZEALOT: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. He examines Jesus the man through the lens of the time and place in which he lived, first-century Palestine, and labels him a zealot – a radical political opponent of the Roman occupation. Since Jesus was crucified without overthrowing Roman rule, he is one of many "failed messiahs." But only he among them become the starting point of one of the world’s great religions. This approach offers a Jesus more human, if no less heroic.

As another difficult year comes to an end and we find ourselves wishing others – and ourselves – Happy Holidays,  here’s my 2013 conversation with SONJA LYUBOMIRSKY about the provocative findings in her book, THE MYTHS OF HAPPINESS: What Should Make You Happy, but Doesn’t; What Shouldn’t Make You Happy, but Does. She draws on the latest scientific research to show that believing in certain happiness myths can have toxic consequences. We’ll talk about how to take advantage of this research to actually make our lives more happy and fulfilling.

CELINE-MARIE PASCALE, professor of sociology at American University, is a leader in examining how deep inequalities can be normalized through the language we use to describe them. Her book LIVING ON THE EDGE: When Hard Times Become a Way of Life offers the voices of people who struggle to make ends meet, reveals a system that profits from their struggles, and presents a vision for change from the working people who know that the economy we have is unsustainable for most of the U.S. population. You can learn more at cmpascale.org.

The current Supreme Court is the achieved goal of a decades long project on the Right and in the Republican party. Though the 6-3 conservative majority refused to help Trump steal the election, they consistently aid and abet GOP voter suppression and minority rule. Arguments in the Mississippi abortion case indicate their readiness to overrule Roe v Wade. LINDA GREENHOUSE begins her new book, JUSTICE ON THE BRINK, in July 2020, shortly before Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death, covers McConnell’s unseemly rush to confirm Amy Coney Barrett, and then reports and analyzes each month through the end of the term in June 2021 - providing history and context along the way, gathered in her 30 years covering the Court for the New York Times. We talk about that term and the beginning of the highly consequential new one.Linda Greenhouse - New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/by/linda-greenhouseLinda Greenhouse - Yale Lawhttps://law.yale.edu/linda-greenhouse

It’s over a year since the defeat of Trump and five years since his electoral college victory. Here’s my 2017 conversation with NAOMI KLEIN (No Logo; Shock Doctrine) about her book NO IS NOT ENOUGH, written largely in response to his election. Klein makes clear that even successful resistance will not be enough. We must seize this moment to pursue nothing less than the world we long for - successfully confronting climate change and inequality while rebuilding our sense of human community. In addition to No, we need to offer a compelling, inviting, and just Yes. 

GUSTAVE SPETH served as Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality in the Carter Administration, was Administrator of the UN Development Programme for 6 years, Dean of the Yale School of the Environment for 10, and is a co-founder of the World Resources Institute and the Natural Resources Defense Council. Speth believes that a meaningful response to the climate crisis is impossible if we simply focus on climate or energy or emissions. It calls for a new system of political economy to replace the current system which is not up to the challenge. Speth has released two books this year: THE NEW SYSTEMS READER: Alternatives for a Failed Economy and THEY KNEW: The US Federal Governments Fifty-Year Role in Causing the Climate Crisis

PAUL HAWKEN has produced a new book, REGENERATION: ENDING THE CLIMATE CRISIS IN ONE GENERATION, and created an organization dedicated to making that a reality. We talk about the state of the climate crisis as well as how to effectively confront it and how to overcome the obstacles to doing so. As an approach, regeneration expands the scope of our response to the challenge of climate change by linking and weaving it with other critical challenges we face - economic inequality, social injustice, and endangered democracy - and placing love of life at the center of all we do.

Fifty years ago, FRANCES MOORE LAPPE shared a booklet about global hunger with friends in Berkeley. That booklet became DIET FOR A SMALL PLANET, brought plant-based food to the mainstream, and sold over 3M copies. Fifty years later, we know that the food system is responsible for 37% of greenhouse gases - cattle alone for 14%; we understand the costly and deadly health impacts of diet and obesity; and we’re aware that Ag and food employ more lobbyists than the fossil fuel industry. The book - now in a 50th Anniversary edition with a new introduction and new recipes - has never been more needed. Learn more at dietforasmallplanet.org and democracymovement.us

We watch as two Senators oppose policies America needs and their constituents support. Several of these policies are needed to begin to repair the damage the government has done by by enriching a small number of people and undermining America’s greatest asset — its middle class. Good time to hear my 2012 conversation with DON BARLETT & JIM STEELE, who won a Pulitzer in 1992 for articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer, which led to their #1 best-seller, America: What Went Wrong.Twenty years later, they update the story in THE BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.

Wildfires, droughts, heat waves, floods. Climate demands our attention. The next global meeting on the crisis, Cop26, opens October 31st in Glasgow, Scotland. This week I speak with BILL McKIBBEN, author, co-founder of the global climate campaign 350.org, and a frequent contributor to the New Yorker, where he recently announced a shift of focus back to organizing – specifically of Boomers and the Silent Generation. Young people are engaged with climate but those over 60 are not yet delivering what the crisis demands of them, and he’s co-founding an entity called Third Act dedicated to changing that.

Frances Haugen, the Facebook whistleblower, could not have been clearer. “Time and again I saw conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for Facebook. Facebook, over and over again, chose to optimize for its own interests… if they change the algorithm to be safer, people will spend less time on the site, they’ll click on less ads, Facebook will make less money.” Sounds like a good time to listen to my 2011 conversation with Sherry Turkle, Professor of the Social Studies of Science and Technology at MIT, about her book ALONE TOGETHER Why We Expect More from Technology, Less from Each Other.