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Even before COVID-19, the people working at human services non-profits have arguably been the unsung heroes of New York City—while facing funding and gentrification challenges of their own. For a discussion about the challenges to community-based organizations, our guests are Betsy MacLean of Hester Street, an urban planning, design and development nonprofit and Jeremy Saunders of VOCAL-NY, an organization dedicated to ending the AIDS epidemic, mass incarceration, homelessness, and the overdose crisis in New York. For more, visit hesterstreet.org and vocal-ny.org.