Everyone Is Right

In this powerful and often provocative dialogue, psychotherapist and developmental theorist Kim Barta joins Keith Martin-Smith for a deep dive into the psychological and developmental dynamics surrounding one of the most polarizing figures of our time: Donald Trump. Drawing from decades of clinical experience and the STAGES developmental model, Kim outlines a rigorous three-part typology of shadow—projection, introjects, and split ego states—and shows how each of these can be activated in our political and cultural reactions. Whether you're vehemently opposed to Trump or a staunch supporter, this conversation invites you to pause, look inward, and ask: What part of this is my perception—and what part is my projection? Because whether you love him or hate him, Trump functions as a kind of shadow magnet—someone onto whom we unconsciously project either our darkest disowned traits or our most idealized hopes. His presence on the political stage acts like a psychological Rorschach test, provoking intense reacti